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jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president biden. you heard that discussion. i like jack. i'm fond of the guy. jack welch has raised the question, but it was obviously his business instinct and his attitude i think towards this president that came together at 8:35 and he tweeted out this, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. i'll go back to what i heard ezra klein say in the room, that a 0.3 of 1% shift in the unemployment rate is not wild. it's very conceivable. your thoughts. >> that's absolutely true. i mean, what i just heard from jack welch was about -- with respect i gue
jack welch does not believe the boys in chicago changed the numbers? >> no, jack welch is raising the question for some good analyst to go look at. >> okay. good. you're raising the question. you certainly did that. jack welch, thank you for joining us at the very top of "hardball" tonight. >> thank you. >> with me not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president...
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jack welch, the former chairman of ge said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. steve forbes follows up and says welch is right. does governor romney put any stock in those theories and have any suspicions at all about the bls numbers? >> george, the numbers themselves are very damning. when you look at it, we had fewer jobs created in september than were created in august, fewer jobs created in august than were created in july. our unemployment rate has come down because for -- since president obama took office for every new job created more than six workers have left the labor force. if labor force participation was what it was when the president took office, unemployment would be around 10.7%. these jobs that were added in september were largely part-time jobs. so we still have 23 million american, that number has not changed at all, would are either unemployed or out of work entirely or are underemployed working or out of the workforce entirely or underemployed working part time instead of f
jack welch, the former chairman of ge said unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. steve forbes follows up and says welch is right. does governor romney put any stock in those theories and have any suspicions at all about the bls numbers? >> george, the numbers themselves are very damning. when you look at it, we had fewer jobs created in september than were created in august, fewer jobs created in august than were created in july....
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look, i'm friends with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said jack, look, i love you, but on this one you've flat out lost your mind. there's an iron clad fire wall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past. come on, say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on this thing. i kind of think they were kidding. i hope they were kidding. i mean, there's absolutely no evidence of political changing the numbers. and, if somebody were changing the numbers, why would you make the numbers last month worse than expected? why would you make the pay roll numbers at 114,000 not especially impressive. it just doesn't make any sense. >> all right. austan. thanks very much for coming in. >> great to see you again, wolf. >>> president obama wasn't the only one whose debate performance w performance was criticized. the wheels o
look, i'm friends with jack welch and i tweeted him back. i said jack, look, i love you, but on this one you've flat out lost your mind. there's an iron clad fire wall with criminal penalties for anybody at the bls to have any kind of political interference or to release any of the numbers early. it's totally impossible to do that. you've seen all the reputable republicans that have worked with the bureau of labor statistics in the past. come on, say, look, come on, you've got to be kidding on...
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today with this tweet from former ge ceo jack welch. he wrote, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> i wish i could say that the assertion that the obama campaign in chicago convinced the labor department to cook the books was universally decried. it was not. we have much more on the birth of the jobbers, a new american conspiracy theory coming up later in the show. for now the presidential campaign has been reshaped in a number of ways. is is the way obama achieved this milestone is very nonsocialist, actually. under obama the economy has created about 967,000 private sector jobs. so if obama is in fact a socialist, he's not very good at it. second in, romney's standard stump speech, we've now had quote 43 street months with unemployment over 8%. we are now under 8%. and third, this is probably the most important for the campaign. the debate was only two days ago. today is friday. the debate was wednesday. but this is a big enough jobs report, striking enough, that it has tur
today with this tweet from former ge ceo jack welch. he wrote, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> i wish i could say that the assertion that the obama campaign in chicago convinced the labor department to cook the books was universally decried. it was not. we have much more on the birth of the jobbers, a new american conspiracy theory coming up later in the show. for now the presidential campaign has been reshaped in a number...
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more about jack welch and g.e. and accurate numbers more in this show later. we have an interview with cnbc. >> we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the bls. it's really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> eliot: and the always wise economic adviser had this message for jack welch. i quote love you jack, but here you've lost your mind. what a coincidence joining me now is austan goolsbee, former chairman of president obama's council of economic visors. conspiracy theories running wild, and how you generate them. what is your take on this. >> okay, the numbers come from iron fortress, somewhere in the bls. it's absolutely and totally ridiculous to say some how some political people changed the numbers in bls. it makes no sense whatsoever. look i'm friends with jack welch. he's a great guy. i have no idea what he's talking about. this is birtherrest crazy stuff. i don't know how you get--the same people saying that it's outrageous that the survey showed a lot more jobs than expected this
more about jack welch and g.e. and accurate numbers more in this show later. we have an interview with cnbc. >> we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the bls. it's really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> eliot: and the always wise economic adviser had this message for jack welch. i quote love you jack, but here you've lost your mind. what a coincidence joining me now is austan goolsbee, former chairman of...
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you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions. >> some report there are numbers that will come out on the eve of the election. >> you know, these are volatile figures and sometimes have to be revised. but to go and charge that the administration had manipulated this for political gain, don't you need some evidence for that? >> think it's unfortunate that jack welch who has this storied business career now appears to be stark raving mad in the donald trump category and i think this reaction is what it should have been even from a lot of people on the right and said, now, come on, you can argue about certain things but if they wanted to cook the b
you have jack welch who euned to own nbc, the majority owner. he said this is unbelievable. the chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. let's take a look at welch mareking his roumts and some at fox news picking up on the idea that they can't be trusted. >> look. i don't know what the right number is, but i'll tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> there is widespread mistrust because there are contradictions....
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next, chris matthews sits down with jack welch. and today's jobs reports. >>> next, what the positive jobs numbers mean for america and this presidential election. stay with us. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. you paid...wow. hmmm. let's see if walmart can help you find the same look for less. okay. see? walmart has all these leading eyewear brands and styles. rockstar! really? yeah. oh, wow! oh, black frame looks good on you. yeah? you can get a complete pair starting at just -- $38. really?! and did you know that our glasses come with a free 12-month replacement guarantee? i didn't know walmart had all this. the price is impressive, the quality is too! come to walmart and see for yourself. find quality eyewear brands starting at just $38. only at walmart. what are they fitting, aliens? >>> e, how convenient th
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i'm going to play you what jack welch had to say today. listen to this. >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. it's just ironic that these assumptions all came this way the month before the election. you draw your own conclusions. >> first, it's not actually ironic. but, i think this is what it's been really about. it doesn't sort of if fit jack welch's sense of economy smell. it feels a little off to poem. you deal with numbers every single month. so how do they feel to you? does this feelt like a surprising report to you? >> it was surprising. it was better than most people were expecting. it was better than any of the forecasters on wall street were predicting. but that happens sometimes. there's a reason they do these studies. if we already knew what was going to happen, there wouldn't be a point to doing it. and sometimes there's going to be surprises. the truth is, you alluded to this. a lot of the numbers are more consistent with what we're seeing in the economy. the payrolls number,
i'm going to play you what jack welch had to say today. listen to this. >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. it's just ironic that these assumptions all came this way the month before the election. you draw your own conclusions. >> first, it's not actually ironic. but, i think this is what it's been really about. it doesn't sort of if fit jack welch's sense of economy smell. it feels a little off to poem. you deal with numbers every...
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jack welch accusing the white house of manipulating this month's jobs data so it would look better for the president. always up for a good conspiracy theory republican congressman alan west of florida concurred and wrote, quote, in regards to today's jobs report i agree with former ge ceo jack welch. chicago style politics is at work here. from there it was sort of off to the races. republican congressman paul brown of georgia, quote, september jobs report raises questions. quote, i don't think bls cooked numbers. i think a bunch of dems lied about getting jobs. that would have the same effect. that was from a senior writer at something called the washington examiner, a conservative thing online. eric bolling who is at fox news, he wrote, wow. obama labor department smarter than all 25 of america's top economists. or something far more inside ous. i don't know. then there was this from conservative talk radio host laura ingram. quote, jobs numbers from labor secretary hilda solis are total pro obama propaganda. just looking on twitter you could see the ground swell on the right that th
jack welch accusing the white house of manipulating this month's jobs data so it would look better for the president. always up for a good conspiracy theory republican congressman alan west of florida concurred and wrote, quote, in regards to today's jobs report i agree with former ge ceo jack welch. chicago style politics is at work here. from there it was sort of off to the races. republican congressman paul brown of georgia, quote, september jobs report raises questions. quote, i don't think...
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jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everybody with a third quarter equal to or weaker than the first quarter. in order to get 873,000 new jobs, you would have to have a g.d.p. going at 4% to 5%. the second quarter was downgraded from 1.7% to 1.3%. the third quarter is not going to be very strong. it just defies the imagination to have a surge larger than any surge since 1983 a month before the election. i leave it to you to do all the analysis. >> one of the most important ceos in america. formerly of general electric. does this ring true? >> well, it rings true to me. since it's a survey, is this outside of the statistical bounds of their survey, which is plausible but irrelevant. but you have a president who says last budget got zero votes in the last senate. z
jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everybody with a third quarter equal to or weaker than the first quarter. in order to get 873,000 new jobs, you would have to have a...
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jack welch should be ashamed of himself. there is absolutely no way the bureau of labor statistics cooks these numbers. they have tremendous integrity. i'm sorry he doesn't like the direction of the numbers. i will very much, as i said, admit that these numbers jump around from month to month, they do, but to say that these books are cooked is terribly obfuscating and completely wrong. >> can we show what the numbers are doing on wall street right now. i want to get ron's look at this. >> pretty good reaction so far. >> for sure. we see green arrows across the board so far this morning today. let's talk about the revisions that we've seen because we were talking earlier before we started the show that these can go either way, and -- >> and they often do. >> and they often do. >> during recoveries, you tend to get upward revision in prior numbers, whether it's the last couple months, or as the labor department does every year, there's a set of benchmark revisions to prior data that go back even a couple years. we saw that ove
jack welch should be ashamed of himself. there is absolutely no way the bureau of labor statistics cooks these numbers. they have tremendous integrity. i'm sorry he doesn't like the direction of the numbers. i will very much, as i said, admit that these numbers jump around from month to month, they do, but to say that these books are cooked is terribly obfuscating and completely wrong. >> can we show what the numbers are doing on wall street right now. i want to get ron's look at this....
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so you have a president of the united states so deeply distrusted, by people like jack welch, who is hardly a right winger. welch is one of the most successful businessman in america. welch instantly assumes this is the chicago machine. it's worth looking at. >> this has been, this is really making me crazy. the federal reserve gets questioned now for politics these days. the supreme court and john roberts gets questioned. we have corroded what we're doing. we are corroding trust in our government in a way, and one time responsible people are doing, to control it. and the idea that donald trump and jack welch, rich people with crazy conspiracies can get traction on this. is a bad, is a bad trend. >> i assume david there's a number of people that believe the real unemployment report is somewhere in a safe in nairobi with the president's kenyan birth certificate. this stuff is absolutely crazy. the notion quite frankly that somebody as well respected as jack welch would go on television and single-handedly embarrass himself for the entire day of friday, by saying somehow that these sta
so you have a president of the united states so deeply distrusted, by people like jack welch, who is hardly a right winger. welch is one of the most successful businessman in america. welch instantly assumes this is the chicago machine. it's worth looking at. >> this has been, this is really making me crazy. the federal reserve gets questioned now for politics these days. the supreme court and john roberts gets questioned. we have corroded what we're doing. we are corroding trust in our...
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here's what jack welch, former ceo of g.e. was talking about when he talked about the tweet that questioned the veracity of the 7.8% jobs number. he was on "hardball" chris matthews. >> do you mean it's a coincidence or you have evidence there was corruption? >> i have no evidence of corruption. none whatsoever. >> so these chicago guys had nothing to do with the numbers? >> i don't know that. >> why did you say that? these chicago guys will do anything to change the numbers. you just said it in your tweet. >> i want to raise the question of these numbers. >> you do raise the question. >> because these numbers defy logic. they defy logic. >> so susan, more people from your party have latched onto this concept. is it embarrassing? is it true? is it ridiculous? >> it's shocking. when i first saw that tweet i thought he was kidding around. then to see him double down on chris matthews was frankly surprising. and i don't think many serious people take that statement seriously. that being said, it's amazing how much flack he's gett
here's what jack welch, former ceo of g.e. was talking about when he talked about the tweet that questioned the veracity of the 7.8% jobs number. he was on "hardball" chris matthews. >> do you mean it's a coincidence or you have evidence there was corruption? >> i have no evidence of corruption. none whatsoever. >> so these chicago guys had nothing to do with the numbers? >> i don't know that. >> why did you say that? these chicago guys will do anything...
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the public, because of people like jack welch, who did all th i that the fact he came out and educated the public the numbers are manipulateed and --. >>neil: he said there are no guards thererying to hold them of >>est: it isu d s vea ey ga ao of an insight into how that is done and he did it, i think he did it in great way to be honest. a lost my journalist friends think he did it in an intful way. yoouaeheni dn' a gr a she unemployment rate drop the way it did so he questioned that. ing he said because there is so much "squish" in the numbers and room to guesstimate where it is, do notayen. unoy.t r iyers dendg ustth real unemployment is much higher. >>neil: so when the administration afghanistans -- administration argues that the trend is t friend-. opte t ihe people that is dropped, unemployed and thos who is dropped out of the workforce brings the rate up to 15 percent. that rate, the official nr, itango dnen me pe ofek first so that is the squish in the numbersnd that is what jack welch showed us. it is difficult for am obama to defend this. the real numbers are really bad. you
the public, because of people like jack welch, who did all th i that the fact he came out and educated the public the numbers are manipulateed and --. >>neil: he said there are no guards thererying to hold them of >>est: it isu d s vea ey ga ao of an insight into how that is done and he did it, i think he did it in great way to be honest. a lost my journalist friends think he did it in an intful way. yoouaeheni dn' a gr a she unemployment rate drop the way it did so he questioned...
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>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very, very high, but those people are still looking. >> the u-6 number for those cognizant. >> coming up -- >> you're right. republicans are in the dumps. you're right. >> no, they're trying to pretend the numbers that they depend on when they're good in their camp. >> you can't have it all. >> are skewed. >> i don't know. if it continues this way, i think republicans can have it all. >> they're not. not going to have it all. >> coming up -- i'm so excited for what's happening later in the show. we're going to talk to chicago mayor rahm
>> forget what jack welch said. i'm talking about people who are trying to say that perhaps people have given up. and if you look into the numbers of the bureau of labor and statistics put out, the number of people who are discouraged and have given up has gone down in the past year by 235,000. and in the past four years, by over 400,000. that number is being skewed out there by those who want to say that the job numbers aren't what they appear to be. long-term unemployment is still very,...
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former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response. >> it is noticeable that a lot of economist are saying this is not possible. you would need more than 114,000 jobbings. i don't think it matters except to broadcasting tv shows or writing for newspaper what number they throw up on the screen. people know they are out of work and in jobs and they are way overqualified for and working part-time. so many people are going out of business and under working now. 23 million unemployed difference does it make? >> the numbers simply write away the 211,000,000 people stopping to look for people. >> oh,
former chairman jack welch is skeptical. meaning that employers added a modest 114,000 jobs and the drop comes at a critical time for the president who is coming off a weak debate performance with romney. joining us is new york times best selling author out with the latest book. ann coulter. at this point in time the president said we will be at 5.6 and enjoying that part of the economy and a more comfortable position and now they are running with this new number. what is your response....
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. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and could these shoes be coming to a shoe store near you some us ladies hope not. the so-called scary beautiful heels are backwards so it makes the feet point straight down like a ballerina. the designer says the shoes are a commentary on today's impossible standards of beauty. and apparently impossible to walk in. >>> san francisco stays alive, a bountygate update, and the space jump will have to wait. plus the athletics steal game three from the tigers. that's all coming up in sports. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...allstate safe driving bonus check? what is
. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and...
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here is what jack welch said. the data collection system is biased and overstated. i'm not sorry for the heated debates that pursuit. i am not the first to question government numbers and hopefully i will not be the last. what did you make of that whole brouhaha. >> i am not inclined to believe that the numbers were that kind of thing. i think that it is very difficult to do. the bigger issue is whether it was a blip or two, a statistical blip, or whether this is going to be a trend. we are probably not going to know that until after the election. gerri: at least one more data point to come. jonathan, what did you make of getting fired for him. the man ran ge. >> he diverted the attention away from the substance of the numbers because he went back to the integrity of the numbers. 114,000 new jobs is nothing to celebrate. we need 150,000 jobs to absorb all the new college graduates. i was surprised that he diverted from the fact that it was not good job supported all. gerri: that rummy is disturbed by that, a new low in the political season. >> it is very sleazy thin
here is what jack welch said. the data collection system is biased and overstated. i'm not sorry for the heated debates that pursuit. i am not the first to question government numbers and hopefully i will not be the last. what did you make of that whole brouhaha. >> i am not inclined to believe that the numbers were that kind of thing. i think that it is very difficult to do. the bigger issue is whether it was a blip or two, a statistical blip, or whether this is going to be a trend. we...
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rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who didn't say that? i just said that. >> let me finish. >> what are you talking about? i just said that. >> you actually didn't say that. >> i said it was wrong to go after stacey. are you seriously saying that i didn't say that? >> what i'm saying, charles, is that you can't just say that intolerance exists. what you need to be able to do is say when liberals are intolerant that it's wrong and call them out on it. you are somebody who they look up to. if you said it, if you called it out without having piers morgan pull it out of you, it -- >> nobody pulled anything out of
rick, what do you make of what happened to him, to jack welch? >> well, again, you know, i think what we just heard from charles, who is a prominent liberal, is exactly part of i think this problem, is that we whittle around the fact that when liberals are intolerant, we can't say it for some reason. we have to pretend like it's -- everyone is intolerant and we just can't say look, it's wrong to go after stacey because she's decided as a black woman to support mitt romney. >> who...